Minutes
FOR THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO
PUBLIC HEARING
FOR MONDAY, APRIL 30, 2001 - 6:00 P.M.
(DISTRICT 6)
CLAIREMONT COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER
4731 CLAIREMONT DRIVE
SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA

ITEM-1: CALL TO ORDER/WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS

The Redistricting Commission was called to order by Chairman Pesqueira at 6:08 p.m. Chairman Pesqueira announced the public hearing must be adjourned by 8:00 p.m. Chairman Pesqueira informed the public on the procedures that would be implemented for those people interested in giving testimony. The Chairman also explained the Commission would be trying something different, and each of the Commissioners proceeded to give a short introduction about themselves. Chairman Pesqueira took a few moments to acknowledge staff from various council district offices. The meeting was adjourned by Chairman Pesqueira at 7:50.

ITEM-2: ROLL CALL

Operations Director Staajabu Heshimu called the roll:

(C) Chairman Ralph R. Pesqueira-present
(VC) Vice Chairman Leland T. Saito-present
(M) Mateo R. Camarillo-present
(M) Charles W. Johnson-not present
(M) Marichu G. Magaņa-present
(M) Shirley ODell-present
(M) Juan Antonio Ulloa-present

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION: (Tape location: A030-119.)

ATTENDANCE DURING THE MEETING:

(C) Chairman Ralph R. Pesqueira-present

(VC) Vice Chairman Leland T. Saito-present

(M) Mateo R. Camarillo-present

(M) Charles W. Johnson (arrived at 6:20 p.m.)

(M) Marichu G. Magaņa-present

(M) Shirley Odell-present

(M) Juan Antonio Ulloa-present

Also present:

Deputy City Attorney Lisa Foster
Operations Director Staajabu Heshimu
Senior Planner Joey Perry

ITEM-3: OVERVIEW OF REDISTRICTING/NON-AGENDA COMMENT:

Ms. Staajabu Heshimu presented a powerpoint presentation on "Redistricting the City of San Diego" in order to provide background on the redistricting process.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A120-195.)

MAPS AND DATA:

Ms. Joey Perry spoke regarding the Preliminary Census 2000 Population Estimates by City Council Districts and gave information on maps and data.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A196-279.).

Chairman Pesqueira explained that the Census numbers that have been published thus far are unofficial. The Commission is only allowed to consider the official data once they are deemed official.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A280-288.)

Ms. Foster gave an overview regarding the history of redistricting. Ms. Foster stated this was the first time San Diego was having a Commission make all the necessary decisions regarding redistricting. Ms. Foster shared with the audience that in 1992 the citizens of San Diego voted to change the City Charter. The result was placing an independent Commission in charge of all redistricting decisions.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A289-319.)

Chairman Pesqueira welcomed the audience and encouraged them to give feedback. Chairman Pesqueira suggested to the public what type of information would be most valuable in order to assist the Commission in their task.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A320-386.)

PUBLIC COMMENT

SPEAKER 1: Gary Rotto

I am the Vice-Chair of the Serra Mesa Planning Group. I am here on behalf of that organization this evening. I just wanted to mention a couple of things. I've been trained over the past few weeks to be brief and concise. I would ask that the Commission take into consideration communities of impact as well as communities of interest. So much of what city business is focuses on land use, traffic, and transit. When you look at Serra Mesa, you see that we are nestled right between Kearney Mesa and Mission Valley. Much of what occurs in those two communities impacts Serra Mesa from those three aspects. Police and fire services is also a consideration. In Kearney Mesa right where I-163 hits Aero Drive there is a fire station that also serves for Serra Mesa since there is not one within our community itself. Hopefully within the next year and half, we will be adding a new library just a little bit east on Aero Drive, again, straddling the two communities. The library will be funded jointly between the two communities of Kearney Mesa and Serra Mesa. You see there is a natural connection between the two. Mission Valley and the stadium are to the south and greatly impact the south end of District 6. I would ask that it would be ideal to keep those two areas in the same council district. On a personal note, I was interested in the community of Grantville and their views. I used to live in that area, and we never saw ourselves as part of Grantville. I'm interested to know where the residents felt they fit into the picture. I do need to add that the police beat shows that you have a separate beat in Birdland from Serra Mesa. The Planning Group map now reflects Birdland is part of Serra Mesa, and I would strongly support keeping Birdland along with Serra Mesa in any type of redistricting plan.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A387-449.)

SPEAKER 2: Chris Winkle

I want to ask that when the lines are redrawn for District 6 they not include Pacific Beach. I reside in Pacific Beach and would rather be part of a beach community instead of District 6. I feel that the community of interest for the beach area has more to do with the commonality of interest of people who live in the beach area. I would also suggest that the line be drawn along the I-5 freeway. The westernmost portion of District 6 which measures 16 miles across should be included in District 2. I know District 2 also needs to grow. This would be an ideal way to go, and pick up people who are contiguous with the other residents of that area. Secondly, you might want to consider taking the Birdrock area and incorporating it into District 2, as well. I know that District 1 needs to shrink a little bit. The beach area does run up. People from northern Pacific Beach and Birdrock pretty much go to same restaurants, shop in the same stores, and go to the same schools. I don't understand why District 2 runs all the way down to the Mexican border. District 8 should take over that section. I don't know why one council district should have the entire control over all the coastal area. Save the small area of La Jolla that is reserved for District 1.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A450-484.)

SPEAKER 3: Thomas W. Martin

Thank you very much for coming to Clairemont today. This is an extremely important hearing, and the fate of what you decide for the next several months to come will really determine how Clairemont is built, whether it survives, continues to prosper, or if it will fail. I am the President of Clairemont Town Council, and I have had numerous calls from people in the community. They all have the same issue in mind. The area that is on the map and cuts the district in half has served to act as a dividing institution. It has caused great confusion for the members of this community for quite some time. It has also caused division in city government. We have had, basically, zero representation from District 5 over the past several years. This is an area that has split this community in half. We really need to rebuild both halves of this community, and put it back together again. I live in the 5th District. I am on the Clairemont Town Council for the 5th and 6th District which serves both communities. The Clairemont Town Council encompasses all of the area from about I-163 to Bay Park, Bay Ho, North Clairemont, and East Clairemont. It's not logical and not practical to have a district split like this. Mr. Winkle made a point that Pacific Beach would be better served to become part of District 2. I would certainly agree that, that part of Pacific Beach should be left back into the beach community. The areas of Kearney Mesa, Clairemont, East Clairemont should be rejoined with Linda Vista as part of District 6. There was an issue not too long ago relevant to Linda Vista. There were problems with a corner area, and we did not have representation from the Council. At that time, Phil Blair took the lead and worked with another council person to try to mitigate some issues there. When Mr. Blair started working on the project, he wasn't aware that it was in District 6. This just causes a lot of confusion, not only for council, for the residents. The requirements for redrawing the boundaries preserve identifiable communities of interest. I suggest rejoining these two sections and closing the gap. It will preserve identifiability for the community of Clairemont. It will serve to make it a whole community once again. Looking at the map that we have, if we are to grow and encompass another area, it would be logical to move east into Tierrasanta. I recommend moving up Balboa rather than moving toward Grantville or even north toward Miramar Road. That would be an excellent dividing line especially taking into consideration the growth of the 6th District. Taking the center out of the 6th District has been detrimental to the representation for the people, and has not served them well. It would continue to be a problem, and certainly illogical to continue with this type of district. I certainly hope that going forward that you will heal the community by putting it back together again.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A485-599.)

Mateo Camarillo asked to get clarification because there were two speakers who spoke referring to Grantville. He was assuming they are identifying the Grantville portion that is contiguous and currently inside District 6 and not the Grantville going east up the gorge.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A600-614.)

Thomas W. Martin: That is correct.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A615-616.)

Mr. Ulloa inquired if Mr. Martin had any idea of the population for the areas he was requesting to incorporate back into District 6. (Linda Vista, Clairemont Mesa East, and Kearney Mesa)

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A617-623.)

Thomas W. Martin: To be perfectly honest with you I don't. The population is made up of people. We are dealing with people's lives on a daily basis, and the way it has been has not been beneficial. Whatever the numbers may be, we need to adjust them so we can put these people's lives back together and the district.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A624-B045.)

Mr. Ulloa wondered since Mr. Martin has contact with the people of District 5, was he aware of their views. What did he think the folks in District 5 thought about adding this section or taking this section away from District 5 and giving it back to District 6 where it seems to belong.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B046-048.)

Thomas W. Martin: That is primarily the calls that I have been receiving, and I talked to several neighbors around me. It is a consensus. They are lost. We are at the very bottom of the well. The last time we saw a council person walk through our district was when Valerie Stallings was campaigning and accidently went over three blocks. Once they found out they were campaigning in the wrong district they went back over. We just don't see representation there. Any type of bonding of this community to bring it back into one district again would be the ultimate goal of the commission at least as far as this community goes.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B049-063.)

Mr. Johnson commented that as a resident of District 6, there has been quite a concern about the district being split. There's been a lot of concern on both sides. It is something that this commission will take into consideration. I've received a lot of calls myself on this particular issue.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B064-070.)

Mateo Camarillo asked if we dropped the Pacific Beach area and added Kearney Mesa, Linda Vista and kept Grantville like suggested, you will still have to gain more population. Suggestions of possibly looking at Tierrasanta, but where would be a natural boundary. You couldn't take all of Tierrasanta; where is the eastern or western boundary of Tierrasanta that would be natural.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B071-078.)

Thomas W. Martin: Tierrasanta has a natural boundary by itself because it ends on a bluff. You can't go much further to the east once you are up on Santo Road or Clairemont Mesa Drive. It will end at a certain point. I don't know how large the census tracts are you're looking at, or how many we have to gain, but Tierrasanta would be more logical area to incorporate into District 6. Draw the line at I-5 and move east to Tierrasanta. The most logical way would be to go directly across Aero Drive just to Santo Road and around to incorporate the military housing in that area as well as the homes going down Clairemont Mesa Blvd. That would be a natural boundary because you are following the major streets. On the other side about 500 yards at the end of Santo, it drops down into Admiral Baker.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B079-096.)

Ralph Pesqueira stated this is part of the problem that we're going to face, and this Commission will have to wrestle with because any time you move any boundary you are going to affect another district. District 5 has to lose approximately 36 thousand people, and you have to gain 7 thousand, you can see that doesn't balance. You can see what happens; it's not so easy to draw lines. Whenever we start drawing lines we have to take everything into consideration. If the 7 thousand in District 6 don't take up enough room, you can see the problem we have. I'm only saying this because we've heard you well, and if we don't draw the boundaries to what your group might consider to be the most logical it may be simply because we just can't move that way. If I could suggest, get the census tract maps. Those are a little easier to work with because you are going to see exactly how those boundaries lay out against the boundaries that you've got here, and you can work with those to see what census tracts can be moved around.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B097-114.)

Thomas W. Martin: Mr. Chair, if the only line you draw on this board is one that closes I-805 to I-163, then please let it be that line. We need to bring this community back together again.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B115-117.)

Chairman Pesqueira agreed if we can count 7,000 people in that area maybe that is what we'll have to do. This is why we're here. We really want to hear what each community thinks about, and especially some of the things you've said. There are lines drawn where neighbors living right across the street from each other can't even discuss politics because they live in two different realms. This is something we will be looking into more seriously. We thank you very much for the input you've given us.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B118-122.)

SPEAKER 4: Wayne Bamford

I am a member of the Linda Vista Planning Committee and Linda Vista Civic Association. I have a question right up front. Does the census tract boundary have to follow the district boundary, or are they completely independent?

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B123-127.)

Chairman Pesqueira mentioned the attempt here is to try not to break a census tract. Obviously we'd like to keep the census tract in tact. Some census tracts were cut and we obviously want to look if we can make those whole again. Again, once we get the official figures our greatest hopes and desires may fall completely apart based upon the numbers of people who live in the various census tracts.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B128-133.)

Wayne Bamford: Because if the census tract is kind of wrong why make the district wrong along with it? Two wrongs just make another wrong as far as I am concerned.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B134-135.)

Chairman Pesqueira informed that we don't have the authority to change census tracts.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B136-137.)

Wayne Bamford: What I'm saying the district boundary should make the most sense. My concern is about the census and your numbers in here. Number one, I'm in a 28 unit complex, and we had a major problem with census people and so on. I contacted Brian Bilbray's office, and they said they had so many complaints of various degrees they don't even want to talk about it. In our complex the census people were there I don't know how many times, and I know some of the people were counted at least three times. We even had one area that looked like an apartment, but since day one since it was built it was never used, and they stood outside that door 3 to 5 hours on numerous occasions waiting to get someone on the list. I would say the numbers on here if you come within plus or minus five percent of all the areas you're doing much better than anybody would ever expect you to do. Consequently, I would recommend you use common sense boundary lines anyplace you can use a major road like a freeway or something. The neighbors on one side of the freeway don't communicate as well as where you live on your home street. Everybody talks to everybody so lets make the division on major intersections. This map the way you got it here looks like the naturals are I-15, I-8, not south of 8, but I-8, I-5, and north on I-52. Now, if we want to pick up some people, why not stretch that I-52 line up to Miramar Road, and there again you got the same common type boundary. Maybe it just makes too much sense, but keep it simple. You're going to benefit more people. In other words, move the line up to Miramar Road. Do away with the area around Pacific Beach, Grantville, and the amount you would pick up is University City. There isn't much north of University City so consequently it would more or less even out. Again, I say if the census numbers stay within that plus or minus 5 percent, I think, you got a winner.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B138-167.)

Joey Perry informed that the census bureau did have quite a few problems counting everybody in the City of San Diego with this round of the census, but we do feel the census did a better job this time around than in 1990. That's why we were very surprised to see the census numbers come in as low as they did. The total census population came in about 54,000 people fewer than we thought we had in San Diego. Not too bad still considering what a big undertaking it is, but the census does offer an opportunity for cities to challenge the census numbers. That program will open to us in July and it goes for two years. So it is very probable that we won't have better numbers to work with. As good or as bad as the census numbers are those are the official numbers we are going to have to use. We do not have the census tract population numbers for the split council districts. So we wanted to wait until we had all of that information together before we provided that to you. We will make census tract maps available if you want one. You can sign up on the list, and we will send one out to you. We will be publishing the census tract numbers on our website once we get those squared away. We will also have those available for those people who do not have access to the web.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B168-197.)

Chairman Pesqueira announced once we finish these eight meetings, and we go back to the drawing board we're not going to necessarily visit every single district on the next iteration of visits, but you'll all receive announcements. You'll be welcome at any meeting that we have in any district to talk about any district that you might have an interest in.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B198-211.)

SPEAKER 5: Kevin E. Davis

I have already made my presentation about the census tracts in District 3. We'd like to retain the voting strengths GLBT community. I would like to repeat for the record that since District 6 borders on District 3, we don't want any of District 6 encroaching on our territory, and don't particularly want to add anything from District 6. Both I-8 and Mission Valley itself are both very clear natural boundaries. I do have a question for the Commission. How do you interpret the City Charter statements that say no change in the boundary or location of any district by redistricting will terminate the term of office of any member of council prior to expiration of his or her term.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B212-223.)

Ms. Foster stated the way she interpreted that Charter language is that if we were to redraw a line this time around that would exclude a current city council person that doesn't mean it will cut their term short. They will still serve out their term. However, it would impact their ability to run for the next election in their previous district.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B224-234.)

Chairman Pesqueira shared that this was very specifically mentioned when the citizens decided they wanted to vote on this because of what happened in District 8. A council person lived outside the district when the lines were being drawn. If you look at a map that shows District 8, that was drawn specifically to allow a council person who lived outside the district to be in the district. The understanding of what happened in the Charter amendment was that, that is not to happen again. We will not be going down seeking roads to try to find out how to keep a council person in a district.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B235-246.)

SPEAKER 6: Kathy Elliott

As I'm looking at this map, and I was involved with redistricting of school districts so I understand the problems you are facing. What I'm thinking is the I-805 is a natural boundary and I-52 is a natural boundary, and I think we need to bring those communities back together--the Kearney Mesa community. If we need to move over to Serra Mesa or Tierrasanta, I think, that we could move part of the district whoever has University City if they need to move some population. North Clairemont has a better connection with University City than they do Kearney Mesa, or Tierrasanta, or even Serra Mesa if we need to move, I think, that would be a natural way to go is over there. Mission Valley and that river whatever you do, do not split that river up. It's a very important resource for the City of San Diego. If we start splitting it up, we are going to see the same things that happened in Kearney Mesa, Linda Vista and Clairemont. That river area needs to be kept together. I would like to see I-805 until it meets I-163 and then comes down to Birdland and encompass all of Mission Valley area to move over to Tierrasanta. Tierrasanta also has the natural habitat of Mission Trails Park and a lot of the issues that are facing Mission Trails Park. I just think it would be a natural there.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: A247-290.)

SPEAKER 7: Man Phan

My request this evening is if you were to draw any line on the map please draw the line at I-52 so that Kearney Mesa, Clairemont, and Linda Vista can be all in District 6 and not separated. The benefit of us being in Linda Vista and being in two districts is that we are the beneficiary of CDBG funds of two districts.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B291-315.)

Mr. Saito questioned one of the things we have to consider because of the voting rights act of 1965 and the following amendments are protected groups. One of the considerations is in Linda Vista with its large number of Asian-Americans. Is there a connection with Asian-Americans in Mira Mesa, or do you see these as different groups.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B316-324.)

Man Phan: When we speak of the Asian community we speak of many communities. The Chinese may not connect so much to the Philippines, and the Philippines may not connect so much with the Koreans or the Vietnamese. I do see a logical point in connecting at least some of the Asian groups together in one area. If there were some additional lines drawn on the map, I would suggest moving up north a little bit to Miramar and Mira Mesa so that a strong representation of the Asian communities in Mira Mesa could be connected to the Asian-Americans in Linda Vista and part of Clairemont.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B325-337.)

SPEAKER 8: Charles McKain

When I was a little kid, I was always fascinated by maps and puzzles and my favorite was a map puzzle. Now as an adult, it's interesting to see how this works, and I know all this squeezing and pushing affects everything else. Without having the exact data from the census tracts it's hard to be precise of what can be moved where. However, as we presented our map at the 3rd District and the last two meetings, I just wanted to make some comments about how issues involving District 6 would impact what we are talking about for the 3rd District and other southern districts. I would say that most of these speakers tonight have suggested about District 6 would fit in very nicely with what we were proposing for District 3 and District 2. That would be to put the Pacific Beach area now in District 6 into 2, and the rough numbers that I've heard from people would probably take care most of the needs of District 2 to grow. If you took all the census tracts and the eastern portion of Pacific Beach and put that in 2, and then as far as 6 goes that would obviously be what the people in District 6 would like. What most people proposed was putting in Linda Vista, Clairemont Mesa East, Kearney Mesa into the 6th District, and perhaps moving some from Mira Mesa depending on how you're connected through the military base to take care of consolidating many different Asian-American groups and Pacific Islanders into one district. That might be a way to do it. When we were talking about District 3, we were very concerned about its connection and interface with District 2. I think this would be ideal from the prospective of what we were talking about in District 3 to have Pacific Beach put into District 2, and that may take up most of the necessary new people for District 2. Finally, with respect to both 2 and 6 if those suggestions are followed by moving Pacific Beach from 6 and putting it in 2, and then consolidating all the ones south of I-52 that are currently in 5 into 6, that would in terms of your mandates from the City Charter, it would preserve the communities maintain the geographically compact nature of the districts and confirm contiguous population. I think that would be an ideal way to go.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B338-394.)

SPEAKER 9: Shirley Larson

I absolutely agree that Pacific Beach should go back to District 2, and we should take our share of District 5 back again. If that finds us short, give us University City south of Rose Canyon. District 1 needs to lose people. District 7 does not need to lose people. Leave District 7 as they are, and you can give us University City south of Rose Canyon. You're giving us an area that doesn't--North of Rose Canyon those people consider themselves as La Jolla East. I think of it as the golden triangle. Rose Canyon bounded by I-5 and I-805 is the golden triangle which I think is a lovely address. Give us University City south of Rose Canyon, and I think we'd work out well, and that would take away the extra people in District 1 that they need to get rid of.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B395-418.)

SPEAKER 10: Adrian Marine

I have one complaint, and then I'm going to tell you my opinion. I received this, this evening. It's dated Friday the 27th. In the meantime it would have been nice if I could have attended the meeting on April 23 up on Euclid Avenue because we are four blocks away. Personally, I did not like when they changed our boundaries ten years ago, approximately. Before they divided Linda Vista into two separate districts, prior to that we were District 6. I would like to see that restored, and several people spoke to that and I concur with what they are saying. I, too, would like to see that boundary moved further north to incorporate Linda Vista with Clairemont. We have a lot in common even though we have Tecolote Canyon as our division, natural boundary between the two communities. I would like to see that unified again. Linda Vista also extends over to Birdland area which was back in the fifties when Birdland was created.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B419-459.)

Chairman Pesqueira informed that the map does have some of the census tract boundaries on them. To give you an idea of a potential problem there's approximately 3,500 to 6,000 in a census tract. Take 4,000 for a nice easy figure you can see that the 7,000 that you need to gain are going to be eaten up real fast. I'm telling you this because I want you to solve our problem for us.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B460-499.)

Mr. Saito asked Gary Rotto about Grantville and he mentioned he believed it had a connection to Mission Valley East and it should remain in the district. Mr. Saito wondered if he could talk more about what the connection is between Grantville and Mission Valley East. What he feels disconnects it from the other part of Grantville to the east.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B500-509.)

Gary Rotto: What connects it really are all condo complexes that are in that area. I always thought it was part of Mission Valley East, and when I lived there for the two years I always thought of myself as someone who lived in Mission Valley. Most folks there would. It's an area where if you are at the stadium on the night when there's a big event going on many people may be walking from those complexes over just right across the bridge there. I-15 isn't seen, at least I didn't when I was a resident there, and most residents there would not see I-15, as a natural boundary. They would see a connection since there in condo complexes with the many other condo and apartment complexes that are all along Mission Valley area, Friars Road. Hopefully the President of the Mission Valley Community Council will be at a future meeting. He actually lives in Mission Ridge which is right there in that area. He would have more of an insight as a long time resident of that area and as an activist of Mission Valley. The area that separates it from the east is a natural boundary more or less. You have some industrial, commercial that is just to the east of the mission. The river starts to cut up that way.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B510-549.)

Mr. Camarillo presented clarification to the last speaker, and requested Ms. Heshimu to address our budget. The amount of postage that was allocated for getting information out had been significantly reduced. We have made variety of efforts to notify people including the mass media and so forth.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B550-575.)

Staajabu Heshimu apologized and stated there really are no excuses. It was a very huge mailing and we were outreaching for all three of the next meetings. A lot of unexpected things came up. All of the public hearing meetings are posted on the web page. More importantly, we never want people to feel that they are confined to coming to just one meeting. Even though some of notices were going out on the last day, it would be perfectly fine if you came to next meeting and said what you had to say.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: B576-618.)

Mr. Ulloa asked if any of the council offices had any comments regarding the reunification of Linda Vista, Clairemont, and Kearney Mesa. If the council offices have taken a particular position, we can have that input, too. The primary importance is the folks who live there. Mr. Ulloa assumes that District 5 is probably supporting the idea that those communities be reunited and go back to District 6. It makes a lot of sense, but if any of the council offices have any comments on that it would be appreciated.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C619-655.)

Ms. Magana suggests District 5 is such a large district geographically, and that because District 5 has to lose so many people it seems logical that Kearney Mesa, Clairemont, and Linda Vista will go to District 6. We can't say anything until we go to District 5, and we hear what their views are.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C656-664.)

Mr. Thomas Martin: This is a prime example of District 5 as far as we're concerned this how we've been represented. You do not have a district representative. Valerie Stallings, when she was in office, did more for our community than Barbara Warden ever did. If we were in that area of the community and we had questions, we would call Valerie's office. That's where our information would come from. The fact that the council representative has left this evening, perhaps there are other issues, is a prime example of what we've experienced over the years. There's no representation from our council person in that area. So putting together of this community again is essential to representation for all the residents of this area.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C665-677.)

Mr. Johnson informed it's all about numbers, and that's the whole problem that we have. We really start to appreciate your comments and most of you are right on target for District 5 and District 6 is concerned. Mr Johnson is quite concerned about that particular issue. It's a numbers game and we have to crunch numbers and hopefully we can do the best job that we possibly can.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C678-684.)

Ms. Magana recommends the District 5 meeting is Wednesday, May 16, and it would be very beneficial for District 6 residents to attend that meeting.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C685-688.)

SPEAKER 11: Helen McKenna

If you did draw a line across I-52 how would you know how many people are in that area. I guess the answer is that you have these census maps. On the green sheet under the column that says numeric difference some of those numbers are very small. Do you just consider those to be sampling errors, and therefore you don't have to do anything or change anything. There are also numbers like 7,000, a lot of these districts are in the 7,000 range. Now could figures like that be considered sampling errors in the census taking. What do you consider to be sampling errors.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C689-706.)

Ms. Perry informed the differences on the green sheet are numbers from the census itself so it's not really relative to the sampling error. The census bureau stated what population are in the census tracts. So those are the number that we're using. It just so happens that District 3 and District 4 haven't experienced a huge amount of growth. Their growth has been about the same as the city as a whole. Since 1990 these areas have grown, but only by about 11-12 thousand people which means that they took about 1/8 of the City's total growth. Districts 3 and 4 are right at the average population. If you take the total population of the city and divide it by 8, those two districts just happen to be very close to that average already. That means that District 3 and District 4 don't need to change their boundaries at all, but probably will due to the huge changes of the surrounding districts. Like the Commission pointed out earlier you move one boundary and it is going to affect an adjacent council district. Straightening out the population in one district could have ripple effects on several other boundaries.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C707-727.)

Ms. Foster added there is a certain amount of tolerance in the law for differences between the districts. Look at the court cases on this subject, anything up to about five percent really isn't considered a problem. So we could actually leave some of these districts alone and we'd be fine legally, it's just because of these ripple effects we probably will be making changes to those districts with the very small difference, but legally speaking we actually don't have to change those districts.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C728-732.)

Charles McKain: I have a procedural question. After the last hearing in the districts, after May 16 as explained to us by the city staff personnel, after that at your weekly meetings on Wednesdays, you're going to be discussing these throughout the rest of May and June to come up with a map.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C733-741.)

Chairman Pesqueira explained he would like to have the preliminary maps delivered to the Commission before the end of May. If people decided to draw an entire city map, try to get the maps that are now available so you can draw lines on them and get ones that have census tracts. Like what you have done for District 3, we would like to do for the entire city. If you could see moving a district boundary and take into consideration the ripple effect, and you still come up with something that looks pretty good, we'd like to see it.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C742-777.)

ITEM-4: ADJOURNMENT

Chairman Ralph Pesqueira adjourned the meeting at 7:50 p.m.

REDISTRICTING COMMISSION ACTION (Tape location: C778-779.)

Ralph Pesqueira, Chairman
2000 Redistricting Commission

Gilbert Sanchez
(OCA)Legislative Recorder I

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